Fatine's love story sparks hate back home
Here comes the bride...Fatine stepping out of a limousine before her wedding in May
Exclusive by CHOI TUCK WO in London
Malaysian transsexual Fatine's UK love story has sparked so much hate back home that she fears to return.
"I am so frightened to go back. I am worried for my safety," she said in response to what she claimed was a Malay tabloid's wrongful portrayal of her love and civil partnership marriage to a Briton.
She said she had been receiving many emails and comments from people condemning and accusing her of insulting the Malaysian government.
Wedding bliss...Fatine and Ian on the day of their marriage
Fatine, who was born Mohammed Fazdil Min Bahari said it was frustrating that people didn’t understand that she came to the UK because she wanted to be with Ian Young, the man she loved.
The 36-year old make-up artist, said she could not do that in Malaysia, adding that people only seemed to be taking a religious point of view over the matter.
Speaking up for the first time after The Sun newspaper in London broke the story, Fatine said she did not know what to do as her family had already disowned her.
"I’ve spent hours on the phone asking for forgiveness. I love them although but I can’t change what has happened," she said.
Fatine said it was a shame that the Malay tabloid had "twisted" their story, stressing that as it was never their intention to insult the Malay community.
"They also put my father’s name in it, which was unnecessary and my mother has been left frightened to leave the house," he added.
Fatine said she regretted that the community was taking it personally.
She said she appreciated that the Malays are very traditional and "people like me aren’t acceptable" and hoped that things would cool down eventually.
Fatine, who married Young in a civil partnership in May, faces deportation after her Leave to Remain visa was rejected by UK's Home Office over an "incorrect" photograph.
A second application with a passport photograph with a white background as required, instead of blue, was submitted for reconsideration but it was also thrown out in October.
Fatine and Ian fear that they would be in danger if they return to Malaysia
The couple have since submitted their third application for a Right to Family Life under the Human Rights Act in Britain.
On Monday, Immigration director-general Datuk Abdul Rahman Othman said the department might take action against Fatine when she returns home as it views problems like overstaying seriously.
Young, 30, who runs a property maintenance company, however, said Fatine’s application was still being processed by the UK Border Agency and she should not be classified as an overstayer.
He also claimed that as a result of the "misleading" article, everyone was misreading their story as an insult to Islam which it was never intended to be.
"All we want is to be married, be happy and living together. The only way we can do this is over here in the UK," he said.
He said the article made it sound like they were trying to make a mockery of Islamic laws, which was never their intention.
"As a result of the way we have been portrayed, I feel that we would be in more danger than ever if we were to try and live in Malaysia," he said.
Published Dec 2 2009
Comments (148)
"rumah kata pergi,kubur kata mari"
jangan manusia menghukum, biar tuhan yang tentukan di akhirat nanti.
tapi aku tak kesah pon kalu kubur dia tepi kubur ko...
(ini aku cakap kalu tak sempat tobat, ko jangan salah sangka lak. sebab tu org2 yg waras kat cni menegur , takut tak sempat..jg tepi kain adalah antara amal maaruf, kalu tak gan kita2 skali dapat bala.) ko mungkin tak paham kan? aku dah tulis bm ni.
Katharina Sri (former: Noor Aza)
Germany
Katharina Sri (former: Noor Aza)
Germany
ni kira aku percaya habih yang kau dah jadi aka.
Ko memang tak stadi abih pasal sejarah dunia aku kira. nak tulis cam menggambarkan kadar keintelektualan yang tinggi konon. tapi cam bodoh sebab fakta tak benar.
kira shortcut kalau kau malas nak baca sejarah islam yang panjang berjela tu..aku suggest ko baca THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY by MICHEAL H.HART.
Ko jangan bimbang, agar aku tak nampak biase, yang tulis pon orang kafir cam kau jugak. bahasa omputeh agar kau senang paham.
Katharina Sri, of formerly Noor Aza, Takpayahtau didnt even badmouth the transvestite, that phrase means, she's old, she should have known better.
(1) Gay couple (man with man) yang tinggal serumah, I happen to know 2-3 couples.
(2) Yang couple macam fatine pun banyak (TV wt straight man)
(3) Yang muslim straight couple (man wt woman) lagi ramai.
(4) Muslim minum arak....aiyo..tak payah cakap lah.
Semua perkara diatas salah disisi Islam. Tapi orang2 diatas melakukannya senyap2. Kalau nak jadi kan pekara2 nie "between you & god", tak payah bagitau satu dunia. Tak da le kena tangkap. Kalau dah kepoh camni, bercium dikhalayak ramai,
stay in the uk..... apply for asylum due to "religious prosecution". be what u want to be and ignore the people who still believes that 14th century law is applicable for modern day usage.
we no longer use 14th century medical technology
we no longer wear 14th century clothing
why hang on to outdated laws which is on a tangent with human rights?
stay in the UK fatine. at least people dont judge you there. happiness is being able to be what you are. not pretending to be something else just to fit with the crowd and "to be right in the eye of the lord".
god is great.. he created people like you for a reason. you are then also god's children. funny that humans now think they can pass judgement on you.. just because they think god will smite you.
if Harvey Milk was a malaysian he would be sent to jail for 13 years.
so is Oscar Wilde...
Fatine, it's your life. Ask from forgiveness from your family is the right thing, but hey, they should support you. If you believe what you do is right, then do it.
I wish all the best for you and may you and your husband have a happy life.
I am sure a lot of Malaysians will support you at least i will.
For those who really love and care for Fatine, then stop forcing her doing things she doesn't want la.
i believe religion is for individual
But believe me u will be much more happier there as ppl dont judge you because of u
Plez, close ur eyes, do not ever think about the HIV, Syphilis etc disease caught by having sex bcoz normal people also had that.
and it wud be so great if all individual in this world falling in love with their own gender.
Plz think, no more babies, no more cries, no responsiblty & all individual in this world wud have bigger space bcoz there's no more human will be born!
Am a Malaysian and I do not give a slightest damn of who you are. To me, you're woman born in a wrong body. Its not your fault for having to change what you're to be more "YOU" People here is so bias.. They can accept "Late Yasmin Ahmad" (May she rest in peace) but they cant accept you. To HELL with all of them..
What they gonna do to you? Catch and put you in jail as soon as you land in Malaysian soil?? On what ground?? There are so many other people just like you..
Am with you and wish you all the best...
oh.. thanks, i dont know JA was a men before, but im really interested 2 know how they buried Late YA.R u interested? May God forgive him.
Who are YOU to say that He didn't? We will never know how He works because it's beyond our understanding. It's illogical to assume what He thinks is right or wrong and then force your assumptions onto others.
Fatine, if really life threatening, jus dun come back... some barbarics here are really horrible...
Is the barbarics here spoiling the country names...
Ijust hate people who think they r equl 2 God.can decide anything n evrythg. If u wanna come home Fazdil, just fly back. wtr u frghtn of? me? my o my, u scared 2 hell of people but not 2 God on a doomsday???? who's spoil the names? God know best.
DAMN IT, stop bringing out what what law what what pantang larang, don't you think yourself being funny??? you don't have your own belief?? why every time has to refer to law of your religion, culture of your race???
if you had conscience, you are able to judge whats wrong and whats right by your own as long as no party is being harmed in the process, THATS FINE!
Kembalilah ke jalan yg benar. Anda telah dilahirkan sbg seorang lelaki dan akan kembali ke kubur sbg seorang lelaki. Anda juga menyatakan anda masih beragama Islam, meskipun telah berkahwin tanpa mengikut syarat nikah yg sah di sisi Islam. Mmg dosa anda, adalah antara anda dgn Tuhan, tetapi wajib bg seorang yg beragama Islam menasihati umat Islam lain yg terpesong dr agamanya. Ingatlaa, keseronokan di dunia, hanya sementara.
kalau kau dilahirkan macam tu. mungkin kau cakap lain. kau tak payah la nak cakap apa. sebab kau langsung tak faham what it takes to be a human.
U never know the struggle that T-Girl have to go through in life. this is her pursuit of happiness. Ramai lagi pondan yang kawin civil marriage dekat oversea, dia yang nak terkena kan? kesian.
Balik Malaysia ntah mcm mana...
tak ke hanjing melibatkan family dalam paper sekali, kesian tahu tak? cuba kalau tu family kau, tak terasa ke?
Kepada adik adik azab dan perempuan ori yang azabbbs, please evaluate yourself before menyangkak.
Having a penis or having a CONSTRUCTED P***SY still is up to her most important is dia muke body WOMAN, CANTIK PEREMPUAN. KALAU OPERATE MUKE KELUAR JAMBANG NO POINT KAN?
Kau dapat laki elok mcm tuh? tak kan...?
Please let her family out of this issue, kesian tau.!
Kepada yang mengutuk semoga anak anda PONDAN TAK BERGUNA DAN 'AZAB'.
every second your heart beat is counting either sin or merit. I hope Fatine's believe is strong enough and i pray she still practice Islam in her life as a good deed even some of it might wrong. I also pray that she did not APOSTATE (Nauzubillah). Only Allah S.W.T can judge you because He is our creator and there must be a reason why this thing happen. Either to open Malaysian eyes or what else (Waallahualam).
I also agreeed with some of the comment regarding others serious issued which being trivial matters to take actions from the our authorities. Pity to Fatine, your issue becoming national newsflash. To journalist please practice journalism ethics code, don't sell others pride to feed your family in order to marketable your tabloid.
Fatine, I support you and still hope you can find the best solution and don't stop solat. Because Allah Maha Pengampun dan Maha Penyayang.
ape pegangan awk skg...still muslim?? ape pun masalah yg bakal timbul....kalau awk x de tempat nak pegi..malaysia still u r home...jalan yg awk pilih mungkin songsang bg sesetengah org, tp itu pilihan awk so teruskan...dunia skg perlukn kekuatan dan semangat yg kuat utk terus hidup beb... so wish u fine the true way to solve u r problem...
Be strong, do not let those hypocrites ruin your future. they have ulterior motives, want you to return and become one of those pondans in susu bars or backlanes so that they can humiliate you for a song.
I tak nak comment banyak sebab as a adult you make a choice for yourself and you know better your physical needs.
but the problems now is immigration rules since they judge you broke the rules. ANyway i wish you all the best on your life and stay in UK because people there will accept people like you.
bertaubat nasuha.anda seorang lelaki jadilah seperti lelaki.
usah melanggar tabii berkahwin sesama lelaki seperti umat nabi luth.bagaimana saudara bersenggama?kepada ct zabedah anda juga boleh diubati akidah anda sudah banyak terpesong.
namun bagaimana dengan orang-orang yang menyetubuhi lubang dubur,nabi tak mengaku umat.
siti zabedah tahu kah perkara ini?saudara-saudara yang lain tahukah akan perkara ini?mengapa saudara sekalian menggalakan perkara ini?
saudara semua boleh diselamatkan,insyaallah.
namun jikalau saudara yang tetap menyokong tindakan fadzil saudara juga akan ke neraka jahanam!!!
ADAKAH INI BERMAKNA TUHAN ISLAM KAMU NI MENPUNYAI SIFAT-SIFAT YG BERIKUT?
-KECIL HATI
-PANDANG RENDAH KAT ORANG
-TIDAK BERTOLERANSI
kau lagi,page yang lain pun kau masuk jugak kan?
atau kaulah fatine yang nyamar jadi Your Tuhan..
ermm kat sini agak ramai penyokong kan..kat page tadi..macam pisang penyek kau kena.
I hope you rot in hell, you bloody racist!! There's no place in Malaysia for fuc*ed up people like you.. Your mentality is the source of racial tension in our country.. I hope your GOD sees what you're doing and punish you for the rest of your doggone life!!! Fuc*tard..
SETAU AKU SLAM, KRISTEN & YAHUDI MANA DER BENARKAN SAME SEX MARRIAGE..NAMPAK SANGET YOUR TUHAN PONDAN BODOH,,SEKOLAH TAKAT DARJAH 6 PAS BACA CUME MAJALAH MANGGA..
CUMA SATU AGAMA JER YANG BENAR KAU KAWIN NGAN APER SAJER...HATTA NAK KAWIN NGAN BABI PUN BOLEH..
TAK PAYAH GI NEGARA BARAT..PEGI JER BATU CAVES..KAT INDIA AKU PERNAH BACA JANTAN KAWIN NGAN BABI..PONDAN LAGI NO PROBLEMMM..
agama mereka memang tidak menggalakkan, tapi juga tidak membasmi atau menghalang keinginan seseorang..understand??
...KERANA Nabi Muhammad adalah Nabi dan Rasul diturunkan untuk melengkapkan ajaran Islam, yang pernah dibawa oleh Abraham, Moses & also Isa Jesus...
Dalam kitab Injil, Taurat juga ada larangan Zina & Meminum arak..dan sepatutnya orang Kristian & Yahudi tidak melakukan perkara tersebut sebagaimana orang2 Islam, tapi mereka buat jugak..(sebab memang kaum yang degil) terkecuali golongan Yahudi yang memang tak makan babi, orang kristian hentam sahaja..
KERANA..Allah telah bersumpah akan memelihara isi kandungan AlQuran, Maka terpeliharalah AlQuran tanpa diubah barang sedikitpun firmanNya, tak macam Kitab Taurah & Injil.(Injil tak dikarang pun oleh Isa, yang karang adalah pengikutnya dengan pelbagai versi dan diletak ajinomoto sesedap rasa)
Sejarah telah menyaksikan golongan yang memperjuangkan ajaran yang benar & suci akan hilang martabat & kedudukan di kalangan masyrakat mereka.
sebab itulah menjelaskan kenapa kitab injil banyak versi, diubah, demi memelihara hawa nafsu manusia.
Tapi itu tidak dapat dilakukan pada Al Quran kerana ALLAH telah bersumpah untuk memeliharanya.
Manusia, yang bernafsu dengan nafsu neraka jahanam akan menafikan kebenaran AlQuran, tapi malangnya mereka tidak boleh merubah sedikitpun ayat Nya untuk mengikut nafsu mereka seperti mana yang terjadi pada kitab tauhid lain.
Yes, there are people who beat up the trannies and gays in the West. But alot of those offenders are chavs and feral youths! I felt terribly sorry for someone like you who would look up to chavs! No doubt you much prefer the anti-social chavs to Fatine.
Based on the comments here I would have to agree that your safety would be compromised if you were to return here to Malaysia. You have my best wishes - hope you get through this.
Caliban - Tak payah cakap banyak sangat. Sikap awak yang judgmental memang saya benci. Terutamanya apabila awak sendiri pun tidak tahu menghormati sesama orang lain. Tengoklah diri sendiri sebelum menuding jari kat orang lain.
Walau bagaimana pun, kepercayaannya adalah pilihan dia sendiri - tidak patut kita memaksa dia.
Your tuhan..aku jalan satu dunia..campur semua org..dari pondan sampai ke setan..memang le berlampak gay bar..tapi semua dijaga mafia2..selamat la..kalau pegi kesana, jgn la dok berkawan ngan pondan jer..bawak ler berkawan ngan KKK, Satanic Occultis, Makcik2, pakcik2..budak muda..kawan aku pondan..mak dia cakap dia lebih reda anak dia kena kanser dari jadi pondan..what's your comment..one more info..gay kat sana tak suka pondan..dia kutuk pondan..tak nak citer ..kau lagi expert
even if ppl in other country can marry a pig, so what??? its their biz!!
if u wanna start comparing, i can compare you with a pig also. pig is better than u.
membayangkan "your tuhan" memakai bulu mata pelesu & kontek lens kaler biru, london gituew....hahahaha!!!
so you sokong discrimination mereka? people should not discriminate gay, why should gay discriminate others?
as you said, "dia lebih reda anak dia kena kanser dari jadi pondan", this is what we have been discussed isn't it? we should change their mind and let them accept it, they have their right to be what they want, and not to be punished by certain laws, and society can accept them in open arms, isn't it?
for what you have commented I can understand, because of the majority think negatively, then everyone follow and say no to pondan..right? of course if you are the one who follow majority thought, then you will not accept pondan, right? but you have to think, is their thinking right or wrong before you follow.
CUMA HARI NI AKU KESAL SEBAB KAU ORG BABITKAN ALLAH DAN PROPHET MUHAMMAD BENCI PONDAN.ITU SEMUA FITNAH DAN SALAH FAHAM MULAH2 ZAMAN NI.WAHAI ORG ISLAM, CUBA LA baca HAYATUL SAHABAT. DALAM TU ADA KISAH SAHABAT NABI YANG PONDAN.TAK ADER CITER DIA KENA REJAM NGAN BATU
ISLAM SIMPLE..SEMUA DOSA DIMATA ALLAH SAMA..HOMOSEX KER..MAKAN RASUAH..MINUM ARAK KER..BUNUH ORG KER..SAMA SEMUA..CUMA ANGGAPAN KITA LAIN..SO JGN SALAHKAN ALLAH DAN RASUL2NYER..BACA QURAN..KISAH PASAL DOSA LAIN PUN ADER..JADI KISAH PONDAN TAK ADER KENA MENGENA NGAN ALLAH..tu cuma ADAT MANUSIA YNAG tak NAK LELAKI JADI pondan
Hubungan antara seseorang itu dengan Tuhan adalah hal diri sendiri. Jangan memaksa interpretasi anda terhadap orang lain.
Katharina Sri (former: Noor Aza)
Germany.
Tentang sahabat nabi, aku rasa dia bukan lelaki lembut, dia khunsa ( pondan dalam melayu, kekadang melayu ni lelaki lembut dia cakap pondan)..sebab tu dia tak perang dan nabi suruh duduk jaga khemah pompuan. Ampunkan aku ya Allah kalau aku tersilap.
Senang jer..walaupun jenis makluk apa yang Allah jadi..hatta jadi babi yang semua org hina..kita reda jer ngan ketentuan..tetapkan beriman dan bertaubat walaupun idup bergelumang dosa. ALLAH MAHA PENGAMPUN
Fatine, you have found a man who loves you and ca...
Fatine, nor harap fatine bertaubat ya. Jaga diri dan Iman Fatine. Kalau ini yang Fatine pilih jangan lupa Tuhan.
Kadang2 tengok orang -orang macam Fatine ni memang lawa lawa2. kawan Nor pun ada mcm Fatine dia orang Hati baik kalau kawan.
Kak Nor dan keluarga harapkan yang terbaik buat Fatine.
ask gay & pondan how 2 men doing sex!! hahaha
your tuhan 2009-12-04 14:50:15
i had sex with fatine. i luv his koteh small cute soft, luv to lick!!
WHAT IS THIS all?
Fatine sudah susah-susah cari dirinya, tetapi ibu bapanya sendiri tidak memberi sokongan mereka. Siapa yang patut dikasihani?
Wajarkah mereka menghina dia macam itu? Adakah itu cara Islam? Mengapa tak menasihati mereka supaya menghormati ciptaan Tuhan yang lain? Tugas kamu untuk amar makruf nahi munkar, bukan?
Menurut Imam an-Nawawi yang kesepuluh kemungkinan adalah khitan (bersunat). Hadis ini menunjukkan memelihara janggut termasuk dalam perkara sunat.
Manakala dalam hadis lain Rasulullah s.a.w bersabda, maksudnya: "Berbezalah kamu dengan orang musyrik, peliharalah janggut dan cukurlah misai." (Hadis riwayat Ahmad, an-Nasa'i, at-Tirmidhi)Hadis ini menghendaki seorang Muslim mempunyai identiti sendiri dengan tidak meniru bangsa lain.Berdasarkan tujuan terbabit, mencukur janggut dilihat sebagai meninggalkan jati diri Muslim dan tidak mengikut suruhan Rasulullah s.a.w.Bagaimanapun, ada yang memahaminya sebagai sunat dan bukannya wajib, iaitu suruhan kepada lelaki Muslim memelihara janggut bagi membezakan antara orang Islam bukan Islam.ada pendapat semasa menyatakan hukum memelihara janggut adalah harus semata-mata dan ia bukan sunat dan wajib.
Ia kurang tepat kerana mengenepikan hadis mengenai memelihara janggut termasuk dalam sunnah fitrah.Dr Yusuf al-Qaradawi pula lebih hampir kepada mazhab Syafie apabila melihat tindakan memelihara janggut sebagai sunat dan bukan wajib. Mencukur janggut pula dihukum makruh (al-Qaradawi, 1995: 94-96).Pendapat mazhab Syafie lebih hampir kepada kebenaran dan sederhana (lihat juga artikel Cukur janggut di http://members.tripod.com/ahkam_2/soaljawab/soaljawab88.htm).
Kesimpulan - kepercayaan sendiri adalah berdasarkan interpretasi sendiri tentang Tuhan sama ada mengikuti mazhab, ulama, dsb. (contohnya, kamu menghormati pandangan ulama yang menyatakan sunat menyimpan janggut walaupun ada ulama yang berpendapat lain)
Mengapa pula kamu cakap "MATLAMAT TIDAK MENGHALALKAN CARA..." ?
Ada juga golongan Islam yang berpendapat operasi tukar jantina tidak semestinya haram.
Kepada mana gay atau pondan,sekiranyer kamu direjam ngan batu, darah yang jatuh kebumi tu dari tubuh yang direjam adalah suci dan akan memadam api neraka.
Jgn la kita hina manusia sebab kekurangan mereka..usahlah ubah mereka jadi jantan..tapi bawa mereka menjadi orang yang bertakwa..Setau aku..homosek dan zina tu jer sama jer dosanyer.
Frm topik pondan..skrg gaduh pasal misai kambing pulak..ishh ishh
tak caya ..pegi la bukit pelanduk..pegi tengok sure sebijik macam muka kau ngna bapak minah rock bohsia flet kg medan
Tanya la Qaradawi...aku tau kau orang Malaysia sikit Qaradawi..Macam la tak der kitab lain kau nak baca !!!
Going by the comments here, there are obviously alot of intolerant, insensitive, agrressive chavyy people around.
tapi caliban..ko jangan la marah.aku sokong gak pendapat ko.aku harap ko tak jadi kambing selamanya macam kaloi..
Aku tau hidung kau macam babi..kembang semangguk dan penyet..sebab malu muka cam babi..kau habis ribu2 mancung hidung kau...KAYA LA OMPUTIH..ORG ASIA MANCUNG SEBAB MALU HIDUNG DIA MACAM BABI
Jadi..tak salah kalau omputih cakap org asia, YELLOW PIGS
aPEK AH BENG PUN SAMA JER SIAL ..PENIPU LAKNAT..TOKEH KAD CREDIT PALSU..DUIT PLASU..VCD HARA..PENGEDAR DADAH INTERNATIONAL..SEMUA LA SPECIES MALAYSIA BERUK MAK YEH..TAK KIRA..CHINA KER, MELAYU KER, INDIA KER..SEMUA NYER SIAL..BETUL LA CAKAP INDON..MALINGSIAL BUKAN MALAYSIA
No wonder bila aku ke Pavilion..aku tengok banyak amoi berkepit ngan mat saleh and iran..bertuah amoi tu..kalau tak jgn harap nak dapat nikmat senggama
Dah le si hidung penyet..kembang semangkuk..reda jer dengan size kau.
Watch it you all! Kutuk or cakap orang memang senang. Nanti you dapat anak macam ni, baru you all tau....
Plus, yang you all debate about religion is so pathetic. You think i don't know what you guys been up to with your unmarried girlfriends or boyfriends?! You guys are no different anyway.
he will always be a man.
and low morale don't mean that we can judge them for what they done.